Tulsa County, Oklahoma Lawyers

Travis Wesley Watkins
(800) 721-7054Free Consultation
Tulsa, OK Attorney
17 years experience
Joel A. LaCourse
(800) 836-1137Free Consultation
Tulsa, OK Lawyer
21 years experience
Timothy J. Pickens
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 8 years experience
(918) 514-3165 624 South Denver Avenue, Suite 300
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationBankruptcy, Elder, Estate Planning and Probate
University of Tulsa College of Law
Do you need an attorney in Claremore, Oklahoma? Check out the following websites: www.TulsaLawCenter.com, www.DivorceMediators.com, www.Divorces.com. Notice/Legal disclaimer: The content herein is for general information purposes and does not establish an attorney-client relationship. We provide legal representation for clients with issues related to family law litigation. We are aggressive litigators who are knowledgeable and informed about dissolution of marriage proceedings, including custody, visitation, and child support. With our experience, we are able to develop a strategy to effectively argue your case. Our law firm offers the quality legal representation you need in order...
(918) 514-3165 Claremore, OK 74017
(918) 514-3165 520 Leahy Avenue
Pawhuska, OK 74056
Myriah S. Downs
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer.
(918) 592-7070 5705 East 71st Street, Suite 150
Tulsa, OK 74136
Free ConsultationEmployment, Insurance Claims, Personal Injury and Workers' Comp
University of Tulsa College of Law
Myriah S. Downs is a civil litigation lawyer in Oklahoma. Her practice focuses on the areas of insurance, personal injury, commercial/business litigation, environmental law, workers compensation, federal vaccine claims, class actions and civil rights.
P.O. Box 702860
Tulsa, OK 74170
Charles Joseph Kania
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 11 years experience
(918) 743-2233 5319 S Lewis Ave. Ste. 120
Tulsa, OK 74105
Free ConsultationBankruptcy, Criminal, DUI and Divorce
University of Tulsa College of Law
Our Law Firm practices Bankruptcy, Family, Criminal, Personal injury and Workers Compensation law. We practice in all Federal and District Courts in Oklahoma
Edward G Lindsey
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 24 years experience
(918) 587-0097 427 South Boston Ave
Suite 922
Tulsa, OK 74103
Free ConsultationCriminal, Family, Foreclosure Defense and Insurance Claims
University of Tulsa College of Law, Universidad de Madrid, Colegio de San Pablo and Aberdeen University, Aberdeen, Scotland UK
I am an attorney engaged in diverse litigation practice concentrating in criminal defense, family, personal injury, professional malpractice, lender liability and bad faith law. I am also a certified family law mediator. Life experience matters - In addition to private practice, I serve as a Visiting Assistant Professor at Oklahoma State University. I designed curriculum for two courses, “Business Ethics and the Law” and “White Collar Criminal Law.” When not practicing law or teaching, I spend time with my family. I have found that life experiences as an attorney, university professor and coach, husband, parent, and business owner...
Aaron Bundy
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 10 years experience
(918) 585-1107 1630 S. Main
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationCriminal, Divorce, Family and Personal Injury
University of Tulsa College of Law
My practice is devoted to providing the best representation and advocacy for my clients in and out of the courtroom. I work with clients to resolve important matters privately and by agreement when possible. When the other side is unreasonable or will not agree, I have the training and trial experience to provide skilled advocacy and representation in court for my clients. Rated by Super Lawyers® Rated AV Preeminent® by Martindale-Hubbell
(918) 633-1105 228 Robert S Kerr
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
T. Luke Barteaux
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 4 years experience
(918) 633-5615 1630 S Main St
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationAppeals, Business, Divorce and Family
University of Tulsa College of Law
Timothy Luke Barteaux is a member of the Cherokee Nation, he was born in Norman, Oklahoma and grew up in northeastern Oklahoma where he attended Metro Christian Academy, after completion of high school he went on to receive a Bachelor of Arts in Public Affairs and Administration from the University of Oklahoma before obtaining his Juris Doctor from the University of Tulsa College of Law. While attending the University of Oklahoma he became a member of Alpha Tau Omega and while attending the University of Tulsa he became a member of Phi Delta Phi International Legal Fraternity and the Family...
Matt Allan Melone
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 30 years experience
(918) 584-7373 7735 E. 87th Place
Tulsa, OK 74133
Free ConsultationMedical Malpractice and Personal Injury
The George Washington University Law School
AV Preeminent Rating by Martindale-Hubbell (Highest Rating for Ethical Standards and Legal Ability according to reviewing Lawyers and Judges)
M. Shane Henry
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 10 years experience
(918) 585-1107 906 S Cheyenne Ave
Tulsa, OK 74119-1806
Divorce, Domestic Violence and Family
University of Tulsa
M. Shane Henry is an AV Preeminent Rated Trial Lawyer by Martindale Hubbell. He received his Bachelor's Degree in Accounting and Juris Doctorate from the University of Tulsa College of Law in 2006. Mr. Henry’s practice is focused on Trial Advocacy. He is certified to practice law by the Supreme Court of Oklahoma and is a member of the Oklahoma Bar Association, Tulsa County Bar Association, Creek County Bar Association and the American Bar Association. Mr. Henry is a section member of the Family Law Division of the Oklahoma Bar Association and serves as a committee member for Continuing Legal...
Jared K. Nelson
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 7 years experience
(918) 591-5236 Williams Center Tower II
Two West Second Street, Suite 700
Tulsa, OK 74103-3117
Business, Health Care, Securities and Trademarks
University of Alabama School of Law and University of Tulsa College of Law
Jared Nelson advises clients on transactional and compliance matters involving corporate, business and health care issues. Jared distinguishes himself as a technician in the law, regularly designing novel business arrangements and customized transaction structures that fulfill clients’ particular requirements and specifications. Jared’s technical approach to the law also serves clients well who need assistance with diverse compliance activities, whether arising in general corporate and business environments or the highly regulated health care industry. In particular, he possesses a wealth of expertise and experience in health care fraud and abuse investigations, remediation and contracting guidance, including with respect to the...
Howard Berkson
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney.
(539) 777-1287 401 S. Boston
Suite 500
Tulsa, OK 74103
Free ConsultationBusiness, Collections, Employment and Insurance Claims
University of Washington, Seattle and University of Tulsa
Howard Berkson is the managing member of Boston Avenue Law, PLLC, which focuses on providing efficient, effective legal services to businesses in the areas of employment law and commercial law. In addition to its legal expertise, the Firm contains executive level experience in human resources management, operations, and sales. As a result, the Firm understands the managerial, operational, and bottom line goals that must be balanced in finding solutions to clients' concerns.
Moura A J Robertson
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 24 years experience
(918) 382-9332 110 West 7th Street
Suite 2610
Tulsa, OK 74119-1109
Divorce, Domestic Violence and Family
University of Tulsa
Moura practices exclusively in the area of divorce litigation and trials, Family Law mediation and collaborative divorce. Her cases include high-asset property division, small businesses and professional practices, executive compensation, support alimony issues, child custody disputes, joint custody plans and child support issues, father's rights and enforcement of visitation, contempt citations, modifications of child custody and support, and modification of support alimony.
Logan Michael Jones
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 5 years experience
(855) 525-2999 616 South Boston Avenue
2nd Floor
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationCivil Rights, Criminal, Nursing Home and Products Liability
University of Tulsa College of Law
Logan was born in Los Angeles, California and was raised on a farm in Utah. At an early age, Logan learned the value of hard work by performing chores on a dairy farm and, together with his brothers, delivering the regional daily newspaper to subscribers in their hometown. At 19, Logan served a two-year mission for the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Italy where he learned to speak, write, and read Italian – an ability he still has today. Logan went on to earn a degree in Accounting at the University Of...
Ron D Brown
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 21 years experience
(918) 585-9500 320 South Boston
Suite 1130
Tulsa, OK 74103
Free ConsultationBankruptcy, Divorce, Estate Planning and Family
University of Oklahoma
I have more than 15 years of bankruptcy experience and am the #1 bankruptcy filer in Tulsa, OK. My office and I serve consumers in personal bankruptcy all over Oklahoma, but I have also done estate planning, family law, personal injury, and a wide range of civil cases. I offer my clients high quality representation with confidentiality and attention to personal details.
Bruce Edge
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney.
(918) 582-6333 201 w. 5th street, suite 550
Tulsa, OK 74103
Criminal and DUI
Deborah Perdue
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 2 years experience
(918) 587-0097 427 S Boston Ave Ste 922
Tulsa, OK 74037
Free ConsultationCriminal, Divorce, Family and Traffic Tickets
University of Tulsa
Sometimes life takes an unexpected turn. Whether you're fighting for custody of your children, going through a divorce, or facing criminal charges, it is normal to be afraid, anxious, and depressed. You need an aggressive advocate who will fight for your best interests. Let me be your advocate. I am passionate about my job, and I care about my clients. Together we will get you through this unexpected turn and get your life back on track.
David A. Tracy
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 33 years experience
(918) 582-8001 320 S Boston Ave., Suite 1130
Tulsa, OK 74103
Divorce and Family
University of Tulsa
David Tracy is a Fellow of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers. He is listed in the 2017 edition of Best Lawyers In America for Family Law in Oklahoma. Please call 918-582-8001 to set up a Family Assessment Meeting. We will discuss your family situation, explore your options, and develop a realistic approach to resolving your family legal problems.
Melissa F Cornell
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 12 years experience
(918) 574-8901 2504 E. 21st Street
Suite A
Tulsa, OK 74114
Divorce and Family
University of Tulsa College of Law
Melissa Cornell grew up in a household with a strong working mother as a role model. Seeing how hard her mother worked to make ends meet for her family, Ms. Cornell learned that hard work is the best and most rewarding way to achieve any goal, and to overcome any obstacle. She decided from a young age that she wanted to work hard for others, and decided to become an attorney. Since Ms. Cornell began practicing law over ten years ago, she decided to focus on family law and issues involving families. No matter your...
Rachel E. Gusman
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 9 years experience
(918) 359-6600 4137 S. Harvard Avenue
Suite F
Tulsa, OK 74135
Medical Malpractice and Personal Injury
University of Tulsa College of Law
Rachel E. Gusman is a junior partner with Graves McLain. She is a committed and passionate advocate for her clients’ rights, concentrating her practice in the areas of medical negligence, motor vehicle accidents, personal injuries, vaccine injuries and civil rights litigation. In 2012, Rachel secured an $11 million settlement, through the National Vaccine Compensation Program, on behalf of a child that suffered injuries as a result of a routine vaccination. In just seven years of practice, she has also secured millions of dollars by verdict and settlement on behalf of clients that have suffered injuries as a result of...
Joseph Michael Norwood
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 13 years experience
(918) 582-6464 1717 S Cheyenne Ave
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationCivil Rights, Criminal, DUI and Personal Injury
University of Tulsa College of Law
I am proud to represent people who have been injured, wrongfully lost money or employment, a victim of a civil rights violation or charged with a criminal offense or DUI in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I have built my legal philosophy around the idea that all people should have an avenue to justice when injured or lost money due to the wringful act of another and that the criminal justice system only protects the right of citizens when people charged with crimes are afforded the representation necessary to zealously protect their rights and freedom. I have represented blue collar workers, business professionals,...
David Humphreys
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 29 years experience
(918) 747-5300 9202 S Toledo Ave
Tulsa, OK 74137
Broker Fraud, Consumer, Foreclosure Defense and Insurance Claims
University of Tulsa College of Law
I have been practicing law since 1987 and have participated in dozens of trials and settlements resulting in million dollar recoveries for many of our consumer law clients, including in the areas of consumer credit, mortgage loan servicing, debt collection and credit reporting. I provide training to lawyers across the country in the area of consumer law and trial skills training. My partner, Luke Wallace, and I are dedicated to fully understanding the truth of our client’s story and to sharing this truth with the jury. Our results speak for themselves. We have earned a reputation...
Fred Bennett Callicoat
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 17 years experience
(918) 409-2462 400 S. Boston Ave., Ste. 500
Tulsa, OK 74103
Free ConsultationBankruptcy, Business, Consumer and Real Estate
University of Tulsa
Consumer law and bankruptcy litigator representing individuals, families and businesses with debtor-creditor and collections issues.
(918) 409-2462 400 S. Boston Avenue, Ste. 500
Tulsa, OK 74103
Donald Bennett Bolt III
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer.
(918) 693-8161 7835 S. 69th E. Ave.
Tulsa, OK 74133
Asbestos, Business and Insurance Claims
University of Tulsa College of Law
Don Bolt of Tulsa Lawyer Advice, Bolt Law Firm handles the following personal injury claims: Car Accidents, Truck Accidents, Motorcycle Accidents, Nursing Home Neglect, Insurance Disputes and Defective Products Cases. Over 17 years of legal/trial experience.
Patrick William Wandres
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 10 years experience
(800) 275-9529 4835 South Peoria Ave, Suite 1
Tulsa, OK 74105
Free ConsultationBusiness, Employment, Insurance Claims and Personal Injury
University of Oklahoma College of Law
Patrick Wandres earned his bachelor of arts in Letters at the University of Oklahoma, and his law degree from the University of Oklahoma College of Law. An Eagle Scout and native Tulsan, Patrick returned to Tulsa after graduating law school and practiced with several law firms before forming Wandres Law. Patrick and his wife Brandy have three sons, William, Andrew, and Charles. Patrick is admitted to practice before all trial courts and all federal district courts in the State of Oklahoma. He handles all types of litigation, but focuses the majority of his practice on representing plaintiffs with claims...
Denis Maurice Faubert
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 10 years experience
(918) 688-8625 3856 S Cincinnati Ave
Tulsa, OK 74105
Free ConsultationCriminal, DUI, Divorce and Family
Florida Coastal School of Law
I earned my Bachelor of Science Degree with a double major from Florida State University in Tallahassee in 1995 and Graduated law school at Florida Coastal School of Law in Jacksonville in 2000. I practice in North East Oklahoma, Tulsa, Creek, Wagoner, Rogers, Muskogee, Okmulgee counties.
Jerry Edward Shiles
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 42 years experience
(918) 877-2676 1831 East 71st Street
Suite 244
Tulsa, OK 74136
University of Utah
Jerry Shiles became interested in family law and estate and special needs planning in the Judge Advocate Generals Corps and while assisting a special needs relative. Mr. Shiles focuses on estate and elder law plan-ning, Medicaid, probate, estate litigation, business transactions, and family law (adoptions, guardian-ships). He has lectured at seminars and clinics in Europe, Japan and the U.S. and regularly conducts seminars for attorneys, CPAs, financial planners, nursing home administrators, and others. Mr. Shiles is a Fellow of the American Academy of Estate Planning Attorneys and a member of the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys, Oklahoma City Tax...
(405) 843-6100 13913 Quail Pointe Drive
Suite B
Oklahoma City, OK 73134
Barbara Ann Bartlett
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 32 years experience
(918) 584-1894 2123 S. Atlanta Pl, Suite 100
Tulsa , OK 74114
Free ConsultationArbitration & Mediation, Divorce and Family
University of Oklahoma College of Law
Once a divorce warrior, now working with clients to divorce in a better way. Save your money, your sanity and your dignity. Learn peaceful co-parenting and assure that your children come through this without scares. If you are in Tulsa, or the surrounding area, go to DontFightAboutIt.com, or call 584-1894 to discuss the options you have for divorce.
Daniel David Draper III
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 18 years experience
(918) 272-9222 P.O. Box 383
Owasso, OK 74055
Appeals, Arbitration & Mediation, Business and Construction
University of Tulsa
Practice Areas: Commercial Litigation, Contracts, Business/Corporate Law, Construction Law, Personal Injury, General Civil Litigation, Foreclosure/Loss Mitigation; Products Liability, Corporate Governance, Receiverships & Liquidation*, Administrative Law, Regulatory Compliance, Class Actions, Property Loss, Real Estate**, Family Law (* - outside counsel to the Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner; ** - Oklahoma Licensed Real Estate Broker) Since 1999, has directed and/or assisted with the receivership, liquidation or rehabilitation of the following insolvent insurance companies: 1. AmCare Health Plans of Oklahoma, Inc. 2. American Standard Life & Accident Insurance Company 3. Eagle Life Insurance Company 4. Eagle...
Glen Robert Graham
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 30 years experience
(918) 583-4621 1612 S Cincinnati Ave
Tulsa, OK 74119
Criminal, DUI and Domestic Violence
Glen R. Graham is a criminal defense attorney in Tulsa, OK, with over 25 years experience handling dui, dwi, drunk driving, drug charges, larceny, theft, assault and battery, and other charges both felony and misdemeanor. Travels to surrounding areas - criminal defense attorney for Tulsa, Broken Arrow, Bixby, Glenpool, Owasso, Sand Springs, OK.
Todd Laster
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 14 years experience
(877) 293-1122 Shook & Johnson, PLLC
7420 South Yale Avenue
Tulsa, OK 74136
Free ConsultationBankruptcy and Consumer
University of Tulsa College of Law
David Mitchell Garrett Jr
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 11 years experience
(844) 255-0000 427 S Boston Ave
STE 320
Tulsa, OK 74103
Free ConsultationBankruptcy, Civil Rights, Criminal and Insurance Claims
University of Tulsa
Bobby Briggs
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 33 years experience
(918) 742-5246 1831 E. 71st
Tulsa, OK 74136
Appeals, Business, Civil Rights and Education
University of Oklahoma
I am have been a trial lawyer since 1983. I have tried cases in Oklahoma, Texas, Illinois and California. I have clerked and written draft opinions for the Oklahoma Supreme Court. I have tried cases in almost every venue imaginable including municipal, state and federal courts. I am a first chair jury trial lawyer specializing in labor and employment law, including workers' compensation.
Daniel Graves
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney.
(800) 390-6600 4137 S. Harvard Avenue
Suite F
Tulsa, OK 74135
Medical Malpractice and Personal Injury
University of Tulsa College of Law
Dan Graves has spent over 20 years recovering millions of dollars in verdicts and settlements for people injured by the negligence of others. His successes in complex litigation include medical negligence, wrongful death, civil rights violation cases, and insurance bad faith. Dan has extensive experience fighting and winning against powerful corporations, insurance companies, and state agencies, in high-profile litigation. Dan has been quoted in the New York Times in connection with his firm’s wrongful death claim against a national healthcare provider for the insulin overdose and death of a patient. Dan has appeared in Lawyers USA...
Kirsten L. Palfreyman
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 5 years experience
(918) 582-5444 1408 S. Denver Ave.
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationAppeals, Civil Rights, Criminal and Personal Injury
University of Tulsa College of Law
Mr. Steven F. Langer
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 24 years experience
(918) 518-1299 1861 E. 15th St.
Tulsa, OK 74104
Immigration
University of Oklahoma College of Law
Steven Langer received his law license in 1992. For 11 of his 20 years as a lawyer, he has practiced immigration law. His approach is evidence based. Steven Langer may possess more trial experience than any other immigration attorney in Oklahoma. This evidence based approach has resulted in a perfect record in certain process categories including adjustments of status and naturalizations. Mr. Langer has appeared at many trials in state and federal court and argued before the United States Court of Appeals. Mr. Langer opened his own firm in 2007. Mr. Langer is a past president of the McClain County Bar Association. He...
(405) 616-5999 600 N. Walker Ave.
Ste. 220
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Chad A. Greer
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 21 years experience
(918) 430-4596 3701-A South Harvard
#106
Tulsa, OK 74105-2282
Free ConsultationCriminal, DUI, Personal Injury and Workers' Comp
University of Tulsa
I am a former Assistant District Attorney and Assistant United States Attorney who specializes in defending and obtaining justice for those innocently and unlawfully accused of crimes.
Bruce Gordon Straub
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 34 years experience
(918) 286-8001 505 N. Aspen Ave.
Broken Arrow, OK 74012
Free ConsultationElder, Estate Planning and Probate
University of Tulsa College of Law
Owner - B.A. Law Center, P.C. - a Broken Arrow law firm specializing in: probate, estate planning, estate administration, and wills and trusts.
Lee F Berlin
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer.
(918) 384-0850 7715 East 111th Street
Suite 105
Tulsa, OK 74133
Criminal
University of Oklahoma, College of Law
For an aggressive and experienced sex crime attorney, contact Lee F. Berlin for your case to get the best results today!
Dan Nunley
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Tulsa County, OK Lawyer. 21 years experience
(918) 446-6200 406 S. Boulder Ave.
SW Mezzanine
Tulsa, OK 74103
Free ConsultationBankruptcy, Criminal, Divorce and Estate Planning
University of Tulsa College of Law
Charles Lee Reese V
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 4 years experience
(918) 592-2300 624 South Denver Avenue
STE 300
Tulsa, OK 74119
Free ConsultationCriminal, DUI and Domestic Violence
University of Tulsa College of Law
Curtis Fisher
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Tulsa County, OK Attorney. 34 years experience
(918) 742-5004 2021 S Lewis Ave.
Suite 450
Tulsa, OK 74104
Free ConsultationElder, Estate Planning and Probate
Curtis W. Fisher has practiced law continuously for over thirty-three years including the last twenty years as a sole practitioner. Curtis Fisher focuses his practice on planning needs of families and individuals bringing a wide range of life experiences to his work. Mr. Fisher was born in Sand Springs, Oklahoma and has lived in Oklahoma all his life. He and his wife Shonda have been married for over 24 years raising three children in Jenks, Oklahoma, and they will soon have four grandchildren. Mr. Fisher is a member of the Oklahoma Bar Association, Tulsa County Bar Association and...